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And please do not forget tosubscribe to the podcast and leave us a review. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive. Jones was only 15 when he killed eight-year-old Freda Burnell, who'd been sent by her father to buy bird seed from the store where Jones was working. She was sexually assaulted and strangled and last seen with an American soldier. "If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it.". Also that they likely watched Muriel and knew her route. Video, 00:00:41Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race, Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story. He agreed to give a DNA sample that could rule out Muriel's father from the investigation. Hi Neil. Hi Neil. That DNA was initially used to rule from suspicion someone who had been spotted close to the woods on the afternoon Muriel was attacked. He stated that I was barking up the wrong tree regarding Harold Jones having killed Muriel and finished by saying Happy Hunting before slamming the phone down on me. Given that Hoyles was the last person to see Muriel alive, he quickly fell under a thick veil of suspicion. Her name was written in copper plate, Muriel J Drinkwater, and they were examined by the forensic expert who did some incredible work for us, and was able to find this full crime stain on the back of Muriel's little school mac. Mudgee General Cemetery. Hi Neil. They have a suspect in the murder case and a cousin of the suspect has given D.N.A to prove whether or not the cousin Ron Harries was the killer. A village-wide search was swiftly underway, and at 4:30PM the following day Muriels body was located in a Japanese larch plantation near her home. Police are closer than ever to finding her killer. The unanswered question, however, is whether or not the killer was specifically waiting for Muriel or if any girl or woman who happened by would have made a suitable target. with South Wales Police has recently conceded that it CANNOT be categorically stated that Harold Jones has been ruled out completely as Muriels killer. Although the decision was made immediately it took nearly 7 weeks until 16 August 2021 to get a formal decision. 'All historic murder cases, often referred to in the media as 'cold cases,' are allocated to the Specialist Crime Review Unit and remain under active consideration and will be subject of re-investigation as and when new information is received or when there are advances in forensic science. Her killer has never been caught and it remains among the most notorious unsolved murders in Welsh history you can read more of them here. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED. He is very clearly interested in the fact that she is young, that she is a schoolgirl, and also that she is very clever. Video, 00:01:28, The 'smart suit' that is changing children's lives, View from the cockpit of a Ukraine combat helicopter. Regards. The police think that Hoyles, who as mentioned above passed Muriel on her way home, encountered Muriels killer weeks before her death. Are you able to tell me if her father has been cleared via DNA profiling?. Hoyles told police that the man looked terribly stern and had a local accent. Although this person of interest could have just been out for hike or involved in some other unrelated nefarious activity, the authorities believe that he may have been in involved in Muriels murder. programme called Crime Secrets presented by H.T.Vs Jonathan Hill. Wife of James Anthony Drinkwater and mother to Carole Suzanne, Stephen Mark, Simon Anthony and Russell John Drinkwater. A moment later, Muriels path wound into a thickly wooded area, and her mother returned to her chores in the kitchen. Click hereto hear the Audio File of this case. Her parents Harold and Muriel Jones/Stevens kept a lot of secrets from this daughter one of which may be that she wasnt Harolds daughter. Although an extensive investigation was conducted that involved the police visiting every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles and interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire, the case that has become known as theLittle Red Riding Hood Murder remains unsolved. Joseph James DeAngelo, the suspected Golden State Killer, The real waking the dead: This schoolgirls savage murder has mystified police for 62 years. On June 27, 1946, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater made her way home from school in Penllergaer, Swansea (UK). Video, 00:00:36, Tears of relief after man found in Amazon jungle, At the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece. The last person who reported seeing her was Hubert Hoyles, then 13, who passed her on the path returning from her family farm, where he had gone to buy eggs. It is one of the oldest active cold cases in the United Kingdom. Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest daughter of four born to Margaret and John Percival Drinkwater, a smallholder and forestry worker in Swansea, Wales. Does his daughter have a son.? 'Due to advances in forensic technology we have been able to look again at evidence from the murder in 1946 and I am now able to rule out Harold Jones completely as a suspect in this case. On this occasion he was rude to me claiming that he knew nothing about any information sent to South Wales Police from D.C. Paul Rogers. In the days and weeks that followed Muriel's murder, police officers visited every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles, along with interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. Edith Patten had been buried in the old town cemetery and was left behind when officials relocated the graves in the 1930s. Ms Drinkwater was seen by her mother in the distance. And I also think there are likely more victims. Twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was a choirgirl who dreamed of being a schoolteacher. If true, it could have placed him in the area at the time of Muriel's murder. Hi Neil. Although he was first registered at Widdows Fulham address at Hestercombe Avenue in 1947 as Harold Jones, the following years and up until 1962 he was registered as Harry Stevens. This true crime happened in Penllegaer Woods on the outskirts of Swansea in 1946. If you have any information about Muriels murder, please contact the South Wales Policevia email at[emailprotected], Mystery of 1946 murder in woods BBC News article, The real waking the dead: This schoolgirls savage murder has mystified police for 62 years. Something went wrong, please try again later. Play it now! Police and soldiers search the area for clues of Muriel's murder, A picture of Muriel's schoolmates with flowers for her grave, Freda Burnell (left) and Florence Little (right) - Jones' first victims, At 35-years-old Jones is released from prison, only to vanish. [6] On 27 June 1946, Muriel took the school bus home from Gowerton Grammar School. It became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder - but who killed Muriel Drinkwater? "Each case is reviewed periodically. Evernote. On 27th June 1946 a school girl was walking through countryside on her way home. He described the search for the clothes that had been taken from the crime scene. The crime scene is a short distance from the farmhouse. Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. "[4] Police also circulated photos of the United States Army-issued gun; notably, perspex had been used to modernise the original wooden stocks next to the grip. Neil. I really appreciate how youre helping keep the true crime community informed on whats going on behind the scenes in this frustrating and heartbreaking case. In 2008,Detective Chief Inspector Paul Bethell located Muriels blue coat, underwear, and school uniform in police storage. It became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder - but who killed Muriel Drinkwater? "All historic murder cases, or 'cold cases', are allocated to the Specialist Crime Review Unit and remain under active consideration and will be subject of re-investigation as and when new information is received or when there are advances in forensic science. Enter your email address to receive our monthly newsletter and to be notified about new posts. Something went wrong, please try again later. 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And police now hope a stain on Muriel's coat will. And the truth will never be known. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. But the mystery doesn't end there and the team want to unlock the mystery behind a book belonging to Muriel that turned up in a charity shop decades after her death. to have gone on to kill six women in London in the 1960s - and was dubbed Jack The Stripper. Jones, originally of Abertillery, South Wales, is a suspect in the killings of six women in London in the 1960s. An autopsy later determined that Muriel had been bludgeoned, raped, and shot twice in the chest. Video, 00:01:18, Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story, WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech. It doesnt take much working out who the unnamed source with South Wales Police was! Investigators now allege theyve identified her murderer. (My belief now is that the suspect he referred to was Hubert Hoyles who as a 13 year-old boy had come into contact with Muriels family shortly before her murder. Brutally beaten, raped and shot twice, the discovery of Swansea schoolgirlMuriel Drinkwater's body in 1946 horrified an entire community. But he was later released and served in World War II before his military career ended in 1946. Muriels nieces family took the books to the bookshop after Muriels brother-in-law died last year. You are talking about 74 years ago now and nothing has been able to close the matter.". 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Remember that Hoyles was suspected of Muriels murder for decades and lived under a cloud suspicion that followed him everywhere he travelled in his small village. The police have DNA but keep any results they may have a closely guarded secret. Advertisement. Thought to be one of the oldest pieces of crime scene evidence in the world, it was initially used to rule from suspicion someone who had been spotted close to the woods on the afternoon Muriel was attacked. Also, as I understand matters, members of Muriels family have given DNA samples to ascertain whether Muriels father may have killed her. Muriel Drinkwater Muriel Drinkwater (born 1906) Jump to: Bio graphy Family Photos Comments Obit uary. Despite their inve. Birth: 16 Jan 1878: She was buried at St David's Church in Penllergaer. Mark Lewis by email of this fact but my email was ignored. Muriel's death was known at the time as the Little Red Riding Hood Murder because of the bright red coat she was wearing. Video, 00:01:00, View from the cockpit of a Ukraine combat helicopter. "The farm was a painful place for my grandparents to be," said Martin, who still keeps a little battleship toy that Muriel had given him. ~ Christine. [8] A description of a person of interest was circulated; he was described as approximately 30 years old, with "thick fluffy hair and wearing brown corduroy trousers and a light brown sports jacket. We are hoping to make a BBC documentary (follow on from Dark Son) to see if we can shed any new light on the case. The murder of Muriel Drinkwater is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. Is it possible that scientists could examine Muriels coat and find another profile that could be compared to Jones daughters D.N.A.? Her route to her family's home Tyle-Du Farm entailed a mile-long journey that wove in and out of the woods. 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Its her birthday tomorrow, and still no closer to finding her killer. With the help from a niece of Muriel Drinkwater I pursued my research which led to South Wales Police taking a D.N.A. Video, 00:00:42Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble, Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race. Hi Neil. Fifteen days later, Jones murdered 11-year-old neighbour Florence Little too, hiding her body in the attic of his parents' home. I am not a DNA scientist so sadly I cannot answer this question for you. They pieced together evidence from the time, used new forensic breakthroughs and links to other cases in the area to identify who they think murdered Muriel in the most horrific way. I have a special interest in this case as I too was brought up in Penllergaer. In August, the police appealed to the U.S. public for assistance, as many Americans had been stationed in Penllergaer during the recent Second World War and there was a possibility one of the servicemen had sold the weapon. Some time after speaking to D.S Lloyd-Evans, D.N.A. Jones was ruled out at the beginning of May, 2019. Video, 00:01:00View from the cockpit of a Ukraine combat helicopter. People had forgotten it was there. Both girls were murdered in woods within a half mile of their homes. We could see it [had been] in a police station, but as it closed, where did it go next? Video, 00:00:41, Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race, Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story. Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. On 28 June 2021, I sent the following Freedom of Information Request to South Wales Police. Hi. D.C, Paul Rogers, independent of Victor Penalunas theory, contacted me by phone and told me that his research had led him to believe that Harold Jones may have been Muriel Drinkwaters killer. "[14][5], In 2020, the BBC One documentary Dark Land: Hunting the Killers suggested that Ronnie Harries could be the murderer. I appealed that decision and was then informed that as the information I requested was kept in paper format in various locations in South Wales then it would be too costly and time-consuming to check out so the request was denied. Updated: August 30, 2013 . Great questions! "South Wales Police has had considerable success with cold case reviews being one of the first forces in the country to set up a review team in 1999 to conduct cold case reviews. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive home she was murdered. Are you able to help please? 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